hopi

On your Hopi/Swedish point, the question here is whether the Hopi child deserves government by the same standards and access to the same opportunities as the Swede.

The Hopi may beat their children for religious reasons, but plenty of parents beat their children for non-religious reasons.

It seems that the Hopi would be entirely justified in saying that all other Americans are guilty of child abuse.

There is a very old Hopi Indian who has a patch near mine and it is more than interesting talking with him.

However this tearing down of belief in relatively visceral and violent ways is considered necessary for passing on the Hopi understanding of religion.

Greek amphoras for wine or oil, Hopi vases that held corn, are put in museums but you know they were made to be used.

Do we want white folks telling Hopi they can't have what remains of their culture anymore?

> On your Hopi/Swedish point, the question here is whether the Hopi child deserves government by the same standards and access to the same opportunities as the Swede.

Or is your point hat local culture shouldn't survive and that the Hopi child should be governed by the same cultural norms as the Swedish?

> It seems that the Hopi would be entirely justified in saying that all other Americans are guilty of child abuse.

I think there is very deep wisdom in the Hopi practice, and it is part of a process that leads to very nuanced views on religion among the Hopi, remember that disbelieving is the prerequisite for participation.

I brought up the Hopi very specifically because of their religious practices.[1] Children among the Hopi are raised to believe literally that the Kacina dancers are literally gods from somewhere else who have come to work miracles on the village.

Much of the photography is slow-motion or time-lapse (the title is Hopi Indian for "life out of balance"), all of it set to a mesmerizing score by Philip Glass.

I've been thinking about this issue of Hopi "child abuse".

In fact I didn't address your Hopi/Swede point because I hadn't seen it yet.

And you're not responding to my argument about the Hopi, just repeating your own; I didn't even address your point about them at all.

A particularly famous example was that Hopi, having no past or future tense, which led its speakers to conceive of time as cyclical in nature, as opposed to the almost-neurotical need for Europeans to keep historical records and plan everything out.